How to Create Real Change

Laura C. Cantu: [00:00:00] Hello, my name is Laura Cantu and  

Christine Contini: [00:00:30] I’m Christine Contini.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:00:31] And this is the wonders handbook podcast.  

Christine Contini: [00:00:34] And today we’re going to talk about the learning process and how we tend to jump over things instead of going through them and how that’s going to impact your life. 

So when. I had something very fortunate happened to me at the time. I didn’t see it as fortunate, but now that I look back, I realize what a benefit it was. And when I first had come back from having a heart attack and from dying, I wanted to seek out all kinds of information because all this stuff was popping into my head. 

And I’m like, I don’t know what this means. I don’t get what this means. You know? And I went to people that did Reiki and I went to, which is, and I went to, um, all of these stores around town that carried things and they all had their different opinion, but. I kept having to leave. I mean, literally I’d be standing next to someone. 

They’d be telling me something and I might use, would struggle. And there’ll be such a wave of sound that I couldn’t hear and I couldn’t concentrate. And I’d be like, ah, I guess I can’t listen to you and I’d be, thank you so much. Have a great day. And now I have to excuse myself. And again, that felt like a burden because I wanted support and I wanted information and I wanted to get through this quickly because you know, that’s me, I’m always doing things quick. 

And I realized that I didn’t have a foundation. Now, if I had a foundation for this information, it might’ve been different, but because I didn’t have a foundation, I couldn’t develop the way every I’d watched everybody else develop techniques and tools and things in their lives. And I had to go through and learn everything in baby steps. 

And this is a critical part of energetics that you can’t just pick up a method and say, I’m going to do this. And then suddenly. I’ve got all of this connection and this information and this ability, and this is the reason Laura and I have gone and created the courses for like, just breath and for, um, basic meditation and for building your practice, because if you start from where you are, And with what, you know, then you’ll never see what you don’t know. 

Right. And to develop from nothing to something is a totally different experience than jumping in thinking you understand something and you were doing something yesterday. Do you remember? Um, There was a part, you were saying something and I’m like, well, I think you missed the boat here. You need to go back and just observe yes,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:02:57] what I was doing when I was going inside to figure out what was going on with me, I had an agenda and I was going in and I’m like, okay, this is the result I want. 

How do I get it? Instead of just observing?  

Christine Contini: [00:03:09] Right.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:03:10] So I was trying to use my tactics that I had learned in the past to apply it to a present day situation and the change that I’m going through right now. Has to be new,  

Christine Contini: [00:03:21] right? Because there’s something in the way. And if you could have done it with what you already had, you wouldn’t be in the predicament you were exactly. 

And that’s another critical thought process for you to understand when you’re trying to learn something is, and it doesn’t seem to be getting, getting you the results that you want that. Okay. Yeah. Your own thinking is in the way. Otherwise you would get it. And then there’s sometimes you pick something up and it’s so natural and so easy for you. 

And you’re like, well, this is perfect. I didn’t even struggle. I already I’m. I’m a natural, I, you know, like with telepathy, I was like, wow, this is natural for me. But it’s again, because when I was learning telepathy, I didn’t start with the methods that other people had. I kind of stumbled upon it. Let me give you an idea. 

This is a great story. I think I was in the kitchen and my daughter Sandell was sitting there and she had some friends over and we were just all in there and I, I was craving creamy chicken top ramen. Now I don’t like that. It’s junk food. It’s it’s like eating glue for my body, but I had this deep driving crave that. 

Oh, my God. And I looked over and the packages are sitting there on the, on the shelf because you know, all the kids, they like that stuff. And I’m just like, Oh, I’m going to make it, but I can’t bring myself to eat it. I don’t even like this. Why do I think I need this? And then it dawned on me and I looked around the room at all these teenagers, and I said, is there anyone here? 

I’m thinking about creamy chicken top ramen. And that’s when Sandel, Oh, my dramatic lovely daughter. Oh my God. I can’t believe you that I just want that so bad. And it’s the only thing I want. And she’s sitting there laying across the counter. I’m like, well then why didn’t you just make it? She says, I just couldn’t, I’m just staring at it, wanting it. 

And I was like, Oh, there. So that was the beginning. So I have,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:05:08] I have a question for you. Would that be considered empathic or telepathy and why?  

Christine Contini: [00:05:13] Right. So telepathy is actually part of being empathic. Okay. Now why do we call it telepathy and not being empathic? Because it’s the actual language. I’m speaking the language of the emotion. 

I’m able to translate it into a physical thought and consciousness that I can understand. Empathy is not translatable. It’s a feeling. Okay. By the time you can identify where you’re empathic, you’re using telepathy with your empathy. Okay. Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. And it’s an important part too. 

Uh, and so giving, uh, going back to the story before I get lost, cause I will easily get lost. So that was the beginning. And so I started practicing with Sindell how, how we were overlapping. And, you know, being, um, hard on my heart, you know, part of who I am and who I dearly love. It was easy to do it with her. 

And, and I did with other people too. But with Sandel, it was super easy because we were both excited about it. So that’s another thing about learning when you’re doing it from a place of excitement, from joy, it’s going, you’re going to get much more out of it because. When you are punishing yourself in any way, shape or form, it’s difficult to hold that vibrational experience. 

So like you were doing when you weren’t feeling well and you went in with your agenda, it’s almost a form of punishment. If I don’t get, well, I’m not going to be okay. You know, it’s not kindness, but fortunately between Sandel and I, there was nothing, but this kindness towards this exciting new thing that we were learning. 

So  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:06:54] whenever she was talking about kindness, uh, you’ll get to hear on another podcast that we had about sickness, how I was being unkind to myself. I was judging myself for being sick. I was judging myself for not being able to work like I normally do. And that’s a big deal for me. Cause I usually work every single day. 

And I didn’t get to do that yesterday and I felt  

Christine Contini: [00:07:16] lost. Right. So that goes to, that plays into control. And how do we control ourselves? These thoughts, processes, these beliefs, the way we treat ourselves holds us in place. So when you’re trying to learn a new energetic process, or you’re trying to accomplish something on an energetic level, Those behaviors are holding you in place. 

And this is one of the reasons you don’t get the results that you think you should be getting or that you see somebody else get. So like for me, telepathy, I can’t guarantee that if I had to learn it some other way, it would have been as natural, but because it was this learning process, let’s talk about the learning process. 

The very foundation is I know nothing. I’m only observing, I’m being kind to myself while I observed. Everything I observed comes from love and because it comes from love, it will develop fully within me. So when you’re learning a language, for instance, you’re learning English, have you ever watched your toddlers or somebody else’s toddler learning language and they get a couple of words and they’re so excited and proud because now they can communicate, but they can’t make a whole sentence. 

So then they started to get frustrated. If you slow down and help them in that moment, their vocabulary grows faster. Their ability to speak grows faster. The more frustrated a child is the harder it is for them to learn language. So again, kindness. And, and treating ourselves with love and care is so important to moving through this knowledge that you’re trying to create with your new energetic practices and the way we’re shifting in the world today. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:08:49] Yes. And being very careful not to put pressure on yourself or expectations that are. Unrealistic even, or even, even, you know what I mean? You can have some expectations, but as long as you’re not stuck to them, you can have an idea of what you want, but when you become too rigid in your expectations, that’s when we start that’s the beginning of unkindness. 

Christine Contini: [00:09:12] Right? Right. So any kind of attachment judgment, conclusions, or assumptions, get in the way of this learning process that we’re talking about now, we haven’t actually told you why it matters. People come to Laura and I, and they say, I want to be well. I want to have a, I want to create something in my life that is bigger, better, smarter, faster, something different. 

And this learning process allows you to do that. So let’s go back to vocabulary. When I first started speaking to the dead, I didn’t have a vocabulary. I got a lot of pictures in my head and symbols. Now here, let’s go back to language at that toddler was learning. They’re learning to speak words. They first start off with connecting symbolism. 

Then they add words to those symbols. So what my brain started doing when I was getting all these symbols from these people who were needing my support was I started translating them into words. And because I didn’t have somebody teaching me any of this. I had no preconceived notion of what was supposed to happen. 

And I had a natural process of learning. Now, when you go in to speak another language, so we’re speaking English right now. If I wanted to speak Spanish to you and I would have to go through a process of learning Spanish, I don’t just naturally the way we’re developed here as human beings speak multiple languages without learning them. 

As an adult, it’s harder to learn a new language and that’s talk about why it’s the same thing. We’re jumping in, where we are. And we’re using a, um, a process that’s not the same as actual learning, not creating knowledge and not connecting all the aspects of the body together. So I’m looking at, um, Lara she’s a girl and a, yeah. 

Okay. So in my brain, I’m connecting girl and AI. I am not doing the same foundation. As I did when I was a child, which was the symbol. Now, let me give you another thing about symbolism symbolism. Doesn’t start with vision. It starts with feeling. So I have an Apple in my hand and I’m presenting this Apple to my two year old and my two year old takes the Apple and I, and they hold it. 

They don’t know what it is yet. Well, they do buy two, but you know, I’m just not that they don’t pretend that they don’t. And I have a paper that has a picture of an Apple. And, um, I showed them the two Apple and the paper together. Did you know that the brain can not connect that? The picture on the paper and the Apple in my hand are the same thing. 

The very first time they see it.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:11:47] No  

Christine Contini: [00:11:48] interesting right now to us visually they’re the same. How could a child not know this akin vibration pays so much? Play such a big part in our experience that we don’t even realize it once we’ve learned, but prior to learning, we do. So the two year old now has to start to connect the vibration of paper with this picture on it is equal to the Apple that they have in their hand. 

That’s the same as his girl in AA that I just did a moment ago. But prior to that, they feel just the vibration. So they have the Apple, right? Just the, not the picture at all. Right. So they have to train their brain to recognize the picture as the same vibration associated. And in order to see that it’s an Apple. 

And so you create, um, like taste and this is another thing when you have the first bite of something as a small child, there’s no assumption of what that is, unless you’re with somebody else who has an assumption of that. So, um, I’ll give it another story. When I was having guacamole throughout my life, I did not like it. 

I didn’t have it the first time until I was 12. So I already had preconceived notions that this green lumpy stuff was weird looking and why, what, you know. And so at the first taste I had of, it was not a good experience when I was in my early thirties. I had a friend over and she brought guacamole and she was eating it and she was loving it so much. 

And I’m feeling the vibration of guacamole from her. So I went ahead and I tasted it and, Oh my God, if it wasn’t the most delicious thing. And we ate the whole bowl that day right then. And I was so excited about it that the next day I went to the store, I bought exactly the same thing that she’d brought to my house. 

I took it home. I opened it so excited to eat it. I ate a bite and it was not the same. And this is where I started to learn. The vibration is the foundation, because what I had to do is I had to get back to that vibration again. She came over. Cause I told her it doesn’t taste the same and I showed her the package and everything she’s anonymous, the right one, you got the right one. 

She took a bite of it. Cause she was, I thought maybe it was pooled. She took a bite and she says, Oh yeah, this tastes great. There’s nothing wrong with it. So I said, okay, stay there. Hold on. I took a bite while she was enjoying it and sure enough, I enjoyed it again. So,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:14:19] so it shows, so this reminds me of. In science, you can take these tuning forks and you can have a tuning fork, a room of tuning forks that are not vibrating at all. 

And then outside of the room, you make one of them vibrate, and then you bring it inside of the room and they all start vibrating. Yes. So this is how we affect each other and how we interact with each other.  

Christine Contini: [00:14:42] It’s our basic vibration is the very basis of all communication. And that’s also based on math. 

So when you hear scientists and mathematicians argue. Yeah. So my ration is based on math. So it was mathematics is the basic language, and that’s why we use it to communicate and also in so many forms. And so when you’re learning something new, you need to observe. So you have to be able to separate from the current knowledge you have. 

And know that you’re missing something. And in doing that, you’ll be able to get into a better place. Laura, can you maybe expand on how it felt to when you went in with that feeling of, okay, I have to do this. And then when you backed up and observed, can you explain any, do you remember anything about the difference in the way it felt? 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:15:34] Yeah, so whenever I went in thinking, okay, because again, we’re talking about. Recently when I was sick, um, my original thought was to get rid of the sickness. So I had an agenda to fight against it, to not work with it.  

Christine Contini: [00:15:49] Right. And so your agenda then is creating your reality. Right? Important thing to know, this is why beliefs have such power because. 

You have so much that got you to that moment that is all contributing to that experience. And you don’t even know what’s in that pile of information that you’re using. You’re just thinking your agenda, but there’s a huge pile of information supporting that belief based on the process of learning.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:16:15] Right. 

So I went in and at first there was fear. I was like, Oh my gosh, There’s a great big sickness going around right now. What if it’s that  

Christine Contini: [00:16:24] right? A deadly virus, right? That would have been tragic.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:16:28] Right. So I was like, okay. So the very first thing it did when I had the agenda and I went in with the agenda was I created more fear. 

And then I, I started remembering, wait a minute, I’m asking for change. And this is the same thing I’ve been doing for years on myself. Now I’ve  

Christine Contini: [00:16:45] worked on it. When you’re doing for years, you mean the way you’re treating yourself?  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:16:47] Yeah. The way I’m treating myself. Yeah. So if I ever got sick, I was like, I shouldn’t be sick. 

I’m you know, how can I be sick? I’m the one that’s been helping people not be sick. So I was judging myself harshly. I was questioning everything that I ever knew. You know? Like, well, what if I’m, so what if I’m wrong? You know? And then, uh, and then later on, I got to, well, I’m always wrong. There’s actually, isn’t a right or wrong. 

Christine Contini: [00:17:16] I’m just,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:17:18] and that sounds  

Christine Contini: [00:17:19] really weird as you’re talking about your narrowed focus,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:17:22] my narrowed focus. Yeah. Cause there’s always more than one way to do something. And whenever I say you’re never wrong or never, right. That’s relative. I’m taking it in a relative form, like yin and yang are relative to each other in this instance. 

Right. And wrong relative to each other in the approach that I was  

Christine Contini: [00:17:42] taking. Okay.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:17:44] Um, so I decided to back up and I was like, wait a minute. I’m CU I recognized that I was coming in with an agenda. And then I decided to just watch myself and how I was judging myself. And where I was feeling it in my body. 

And I delved into the pain. I delved into the emotional pain, into the physical pain, and I just watched it. And when I didn’t make a judgment that it was a bad thing against it, it actually didn’t feel as bad. And it was a little bit exciting.  

Christine Contini: [00:18:21] And I hate  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:18:22] to admit that because I have a false belief system that says. 

If I judge us as exciting, I’m going to invite it back, 

but it was exciting to break through my old way of doing things.  

Christine Contini: [00:18:39] Nice.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:18:40] Does that make sense? Did I answer your question? You did.  

Christine Contini: [00:18:43] You did. And I’m going to give some more to support this. So we’re talking about that two year old who’s learning vocabulary. And then we taught to explain that prior to that, there’s only vibration. 

Now, the only way to learn a vibration is through observation. The only way to recognize. The truth of a vibration is through observation. Now, let me take you back to that picture of the Apple and the Apple that you’re actually holding in your hand, you looking at them both and they’re an Apple. So the only way to recognize which one you can eat is through the truth and the vibration. 

If you go solely on just the visual brain. You think you can eat them both. Why couldn’t you until again, you get the programming that tells you you can’t because I’ve seen kids try to, um, maybe you’ve seen it too. They go up and they go put their mouth on a picture and try to eat it. And it’s the cutest darndest thing. 

I mean, you can take it to like a six or seven month old baby and put something on. They always trying to eat it and they’ve had an experience with it. So it makes sense to them. Oh, this is it. I’m looking at the same thing. They’re starting to correlate. They still think it’s the same. They haven’t really learned how to distinguish in other ways yet. 

So, well, what I was saying is observation. So the return to observation is the most powerful tool you have. So if you never learn anything else from wanders handbook, learning how to observe without attachment judgment, conclusions, or assumptions. We’ll get you through everything else. And we also will, you do have that course online, um, returned to observation that you can use, um, to get you started on seeing, how does this work? 

How does it, how do you get back to only observing and not having these other things happen? So when you did start observing, and then the excitement came back  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:20:27] and, and faith, the fear went away is really what happened because I no longer. Judged the situation as good or bad. I just looked at it. And when you just look at something it’s not charged emotionally,  

Christine Contini: [00:20:40] right? 

And so there’s no burden. There’s no, there’s no trauma connection to it. And when we go back and we think about our system, we have body mind, brain spirit, and energetic system. And these five aspects of self are all working together for the full expression of self. So when you, when you’re thinking. 

You’re dominant in your brain of those five things, your dominant and brain. When you pull back mind and brain can be together. Now, if you’re only observing and you have mind and brain together, which is a fully formed third eye, actively participating in your reality. Then the answers are pulled in naturally. 

So the mind has connection to everything that ever was and the brain has connection to your reality  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:21:27] here. That’s right, because whenever I did start observing that’s when I got all of the information of how long this programming that I’ve been having has been in play in my life. And I saw how it affected the different aspects of my life. 

So I was sitting here going in to looking at an illness and thinking, how can I overcome this to realizing. That my whole life. Is based on a lie  

Christine Contini: [00:21:55] and being excited to realize that too, right. Instead of being devastated. Now, when you come out of that reality, when you come out of that connection and you get stronger into brain, again, it can be overwhelming because you can you’re. 

Your thought processes start to roll through again, and it can feel bad for a moment that, Oh no, I’ve lived my whole life this way. Instead of the thrill that you had when you realized, Oh, I’m going to be free from this. Cause now I know I lived my whole life this way. So again, you need to be prepared to handle when you’re moving between these aspects. 

And narrowing your focus. So knowing basic meditation can pull you out of those moments when it starts to feel bad. Again, just you just back up from it instead of the narrowed focus that you’re holding this, keeping you in this place of feeling that you don’t enjoy, you just pull back, look the bigger picture. 

It can’t possibly be true that it’s bad that you lived your life this way, because everything in your life brought you to this moment. You wouldn’t even be having this experience in this moment. If you hadn’t lived your life this way. So to NA I mean, it’s a big picture, right? Yep. So knowledge, knowledge is power. 

Knowledge is not the understanding. Understanding comes from observing this moment and the next. So in this moment, I can understand, I can see something. And then I can assign meaning to it. So that’s this moment in the next, as soon as meaning as assigned, you’re no longer in the present you are in the future. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:23:19] Oh, I was doing that a lot too. I’ll exist in the future quite a bit where I’ll be, you know, looking ahead to see, well, if this is the case, then that means this has to happen. And I broke that down yesterday, too. I was so much more in the present, which is a. Big deal for me.  

Christine Contini: [00:23:38] Right? So that’s the false belief in cause and effect the way we apply it as human beings. 

Cause none of it’s real. Now there is a larger cause and effect through science. That is real, but the way we apply it such as, uh, you walk in the room, you’re frowning. Therefore I have to feel bad to cause an effect. I created that. So instead of me staying me, I’m now going to mirror you and become you. 

Cause and effect. Yeah. So when you, uh, when you, when you observe, you can see those behaviors. I mean,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:24:07] yeah, this brings me, so this is another point that I got, you know, how some people with the, uh, debilitating or deadly disease will succumb to it and never recover. And then there’s that few percentage who  

Christine Contini: [00:24:23] do recover from something they never should have. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:24:26] Right. And that made me realize, you know, if one. I tend to, because my, I have a background in medic medicine. I tend to look at the textbook and say, okay, well this, this has this outcome. That’s my very first go to. And as I was looking at that yesterday, I could have gone down that path, but I decided not  

Christine Contini: [00:24:50] to. 

I  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:24:52] decided to break from my traditional views of medicine and how the body works and to exist in the unknown.  

Christine Contini: [00:25:01] Nice. So when we’re talking about knowledge, that is a constant thing that we have to do because we. People think that as you get older, you get, you get wiser. Yes. But the wisest people are the ones that don’t get trapped in because these things add up, they equal this. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:25:18] Right. And they also say an old dog, can’t an old dog. Can’t learn new tricks. So that’s when we become rigid. Yes. So yes. I think wisdom has more to do with  

Christine Contini: [00:25:28] flow. True wisdom. Yeah. Right, right. So when I’m being able to observe. Again is the key part of this, and then being able to take what you observed and go through your learning process. 

Now, we talked about this to Laura and the past where. Everything happens so fast. You don’t even know what it is. So what’s happening to most people every day is you’re having experiences and you’re doing all of this habitual stuff and you’re coming out on the other side of this experience and you’re like, Oh, I’ve already decided I don’t want to be mean to myself anymore. 

How come I keep doing it? It’s because all of these things are in play and there’s so much happening so fast because it learning now has accelerated for us versus when we were small. So the processing and the. The power that we have is so quick it’s as you can’t even catch it, and you’re already on the other side. 

So hindsight then becomes the knowledge and the awareness. Now I’m gonna take you away from that because we’re still in the brain. When we’re talking about this, I don’t want to take you back to vibration and energy. You feel something as you approach these experiences. And something is uncomfortable or something’s not right or something isn’t peaceful or something isn’t joyful and it’s small, but you ignore it because you’ve been trained to ignore that because nobody has told you what it is. 

So why do you pay attention to it? If you can’t do anything with it, that’s how we grow. And that’s how society has held us. Now, what I’m telling you to do now is in order to be an observation, you have to catch that feeling of discomfort, no matter how slight it is, and you have to have yourself so consciously trained that when you feel discomfort that you’re going to stop or slow down instead of indulging. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:27:14] That’s what happened yesterday? I was watching, I was trying to binge watch. I wanted to dip binge, watch some stuff on Netflix. But this little thing in the back of my mind kept saying it didn’t let me pay attention to the show. And it kept bringing my attention back to a pattern that I’d had. And then I just had to stop and observe it and be like, okay, what are you trying to tell me? 

Christine Contini: [00:27:36] Right. And our system is designed to do this where we have solved vocabulary and language that comes through in the form of symptoms or this, this feeling, or this push or this, you know, little ache and pain that we get in our body, which is a symbol. Right. Symbolism it’s vocabulary when translated as well and taking this vibration. 

So think about it on a soul level, you’re receiving a vibration and that vibration is impacting the physical form. And if you know what the vibration means, then boom, you’re good in your super fast with getting through everything. Just like, cause we were already learn super fast. So we’re going through it like that super fast. 

But what tends to happen is we ignore, we’ve been taught to ignore, Oh, you have discomfort. Ignore it. Oh, you’re unhappy. Ignore it. Or you hate your life. Ignore it. So in order to really learn and grow and change, and the things that we’re talking about, you have to stop that process of indulging and the negative aspects of you. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:28:38] Right. And that’s a journey that is amazing and eye opening. And can lead to what we call ripping, which we talked about in a different podcast. It will, it’s challenging and it’s so worth it. It is.  

Christine Contini: [00:29:02] See, that’s the thing. When I started this journey, I didn’t even know I was on a journey. I I’d lived my life for years and years and the deepest depression wanting to be dead all the time. 

No, I hadn’t even died yet, but it was my goal just to be dead so that I could go to heaven and not have to be involved in this experience here. And I loved my family. I know I loved them. I mean, it was everything for me to be with them and help them and to just create this magical space that we had, but I never could feel it. 

And I always wondered because I could see another people’s faces that they could feel it. And I knew then I wasn’t feeling what they were feeling because there’s vibration there that I didn’t have, but I didn’t know why and everything we’ve talked about today is how to get rid of these blocks in your body. 

How to flow energy, how to get back to that.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:30:00] Yes. Yes, yes. Okay. So I’m going to go into this. Um, I too have been lately. I’m a workaholic and I admit it,  

Christine Contini: [00:30:11] which is 50% of the, you know, the salvation is admitting. Right.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:30:15] And what I thought brought me joy was bringing me comfort. And there’s a difference between comfort and joy and the basis of what I learned about myself by going through this illness and questioning myself and learning how to learn was that I was living for other people. 

I was living for their joy, but I had not discovered my own joy. Right. And because I did not have my own joy, all of the illness, all of this suffering, all of the pain, everything was showing up to tell me, find your own  

Christine Contini: [00:30:53] joy. Yeah. Find it and know it and understand it.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:30:59] Right. And then, so for the first time, I had relief, not just from illness, but from burden. 

I had a second or two of relief and I had joy. And now that I’ve experienced that even through the midst of the sickness that I had. I know it’s possible. I know it’s there and I know I can do it again.  

Christine Contini: [00:31:21] Right. And that’s, that’s what happened to me too. When I was sick with ms. I had one day that I was well, and I thought to myself, if I can feel good for one day, I can feel good for the rest of my life. 

And that sent me on that journey of finding. And then that’s why I’m here today. I wouldn’t imagine. Oh my goodness. I cannot imagine if I hadn’t accepted that path and started walking it. How. Awful. And he probably wouldn’t be here. I, yeah, you’re right. When I had the heart attack, I would just stayed on the other side. 

Bye guys. See you when you get here. Awesome. I’m good. If you’re good.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:32:00] I’m good. Thank you for joining us today. And we look forward to seeing you next time,  

Christine Contini: [00:32:04] ask some guys have a great day. 

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