Season 1, Episode 5


Season 1
Episode 5



by | Jul 15, 2020

by | Jul 15, 2020

The Hidden Truth About Sickness

About this Episode

Have you tried everything to heal but nothing seems to work? Christine Contini and Laura C. Cantu talk about the energetic causes of sickness, how it works, and how to change.

Episode Support

During this episode, Christine Contini and Laura C. Cantu discuss the importance of reflecting from the inside out, contemplation, and observation.

Reflecting from the inside out can be understood best through TheSTUDY. Click here for the Self-Guided STUDIES

Contemplation is one form of support that helps you see the reality that you create. Use contemplation to be more aware as to why and how you create sickness in your life.

Beginning Contemplation
Contemplation Exercise
Contemplation, Repurpose

If you need support with being able to observe in each moment what is going on without the distraction of stacked beliefs or the pressure from the beliefs of others take the course Return to Observation

Deep Diaphragmatic Breath method reference is the third video on the Diaphragmatic Breath video page.

Here’s a great article on How to Perform lymphatic drainage massage referred to during the podcast.

The three Jiao mentioned as relevant to deeper diaphragmatic breath are discussed in the article “Allergies and the San Jiao.”

The Hidden Truth About Sickness

Laura C. Cantu: [00:00:00] hello. My name is Laura Cantu 

Christine Contini: [00:00:19] and I’m Christine Contini.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:00:20] And this is the Wanderer’s Handbook Podcast. Welcome.  

Christine Contini: [00:00:26] Today, we’re going to talk about sickness and there’s so much to sickness. It’s not just, Oh, I have a cold. I mean, it’s everything leading up to being susceptible to having a cold it’s um, cause think about it. 

As, as a mom, I’ve had this experience where everyone in the house got sick and there’s no room for me to get sick too, because they’re that sick that if I can’t take care of them, no one will be okay. And you ask yourself, you know, how does a mom have that kind of power to be in a house full of sick people? 

And even if she does become unwell, how can she keep going when no one else can even stand up? I mean, there’s more to it than just a virus and how it affects the physical body.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:01:08] It’s the same kind of thing too. When people work for a long time and then they get their days off and they go on vacation and they get sick while they’re on vacation,  

Christine Contini: [00:01:16] you know,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:01:17] it’s like, Why is it that doesn’t always happen when I’m on vacation  

Christine Contini: [00:01:21] or when you want to vacation, you end up getting sick. 

Right? You know, how are you bringing all of these experiences in, on an energetic level? And then how do you deal with them once they’re into your energetic space and they’re showing their symptomatic behavior. And then what do you do next?  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:01:38] And. It goes another way, too, when you want, when you’re wanting to change something about you, and then you invite that into your life, and then you might just get sick because you invited that into your life,  

Christine Contini: [00:01:49] right. 

Um, sickness can also be a pendulum swing. It can help you, um, break down barriers because you’re now feeling something that you weren’t allowing yourself to feel before.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:02:00] Yeah. Yeah. So we’ve got a lot of things to talk about today. I’ll let you start.  

Christine Contini: [00:02:05] Let’s see. We can even get through half of what we want. 

Right. That’s all  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:02:08] we’re doing this today because we’ve both been sick.  

Christine Contini: [00:02:11] Right. And we experienced the sickness in different ways too. Um, why don’t we just jump right to the, the, the fact that you can accelerate your sickness? I mean, I want to tell you how to do that yet, but you can actually accelerate your sickness and I’ll take that back to an experience I had, I had a very important meeting. 

Coming up in 24 hours. And it was one of those things. Everyone in the house was sick and I hadn’t been sick and they were all getting better. And then I had my meeting scheduled for the next day and suddenly I felt so sick and I’m like, Oh my God, it took everybody five days to get over being sick. And they laid in bed and seriously couldn’t do anything for five days. 

And I thought to myself, I just can’t do that. Aye. Aye. I need to go to this important meeting and I can’t be sick to go. So something else is going to have to change. I started meditating. I looked at it and I said, I’ve just got to go through this faster. And it was so bizarre. I didn’t intend for it to work. 

I mean, I didn’t know what was going to actually happen. I was so surprised when I got on the other side of it, but I went to bed that night, knowing that I was terribly ill and that by the middle of the day, the next day, there was no way I’d be able to get dressed and go to this important meeting. And I woke up about two o’clock in the morning feeling awful. 

And I was like, I’ve got to get through this faster again. I kept having that thought, I’ve got to get through this faster. And I literally had all the symptoms that everyone else had. For two hours. Wow. At this intense level that I felt like this is death. I mean, having died, you know, I’m just the, when I say this is death, that’s a serious statement. 

And I was not alone in the process because it was my first time going through it. So I felt like I was being supported and my organs hurt at this high, high level. But I didn’t think, Oh no, I needed to stop. Not once did I think I needed to stop? I just kept thinking I’ve got to get through this as fast as possible. 

And I just knew that I was going really, really fast. And again, after two hours, I was well, and I woke up the next day as if I’d never been sick at all. And. I thought if that was my first time to do it. And I thought, Oh, that wasn’t really what I thought it was. It couldn’t have been that I accelerated my sickness, but I did the same thing yesterday. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:04:32] I was just going to say that she  

Christine Contini: [00:04:34] did the same thing yesterday and I’ve done it other times too. Now that first time was years ago and I don’t always accelerate sickness. It’s not like. So sometimes when my body brings sickness, I’m like, okay, this is purposeful. And I’m going to definitely rest and relax through it. 

And I’m going to be kind to myself because this is purposeful and I’m creating change  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:04:54] what I did yesterday.  

Christine Contini: [00:04:55] Yes. So there’s today still. So there’s not one way to do it. There’s multiple ways. And we’re just going to talk about some of the variables that happen. One of the first variables you need to be aware of is your own thoughts about sickness. 

So, have you ever had it where you were feeling just fine and, and you weren’t sick at all and everyone around you had been getting sick and you felt fine. And then somebody says to you, Oh, you don’t look so well, are you okay? And then suddenly, now you’re falling into sickness  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:05:24] or they might say something to like, Hey, I need you to get this done right now. 

And it’s so much pressure and burden. You’re like, well, Okay, well, now you’re sick,  

Christine Contini: [00:05:37] right? I would rather be sick than do that work. And that was, that goes kind of back into the work thing where you need a vacation, but you don’t take it. So you bring on a, okay. I believe if I’m sick, I’m going to be home. 

It’s not really how I want to spend my vacation, but it’s much better than not doing anything at all. It’s the way you give yourself permission as how these beliefs are impacting you. So if you believe that you’re well. And that you don’t need a sickness you’re much stronger. So that boosts your immune system that keeps you in a healthier place. 

If you start to worry, okay, there’s what door number one you’ve just opened that has invited sickness. And if you start to have fear door number two, and sickness comes in really strong. When you have fear, um, door number three is, um, whether you value yourself or not. Okay. And if you can be kind to yourself, if you’re having issues in those areas, you’re likely again, to invite more sickness. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:06:32] Yes.  

Christine Contini: [00:06:34] So the belief system of just, um, am I allowed to be well? So when I had multiple sclerosis, which I consider it a sickness. I had to work through the biggest belief system I ever had in my entire life that permeated every single cell in my body, which was the idea of not good enough.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:06:57] That’s what I’m working through right now. 

And if, when you don’t feel good enough, and I’m going to just tell you this from experience yesterday and today, because it has been, we call it the ripping it’s it feels like inside. Your cells are just vibrating and you’re going to rip apart because you there’s this way. You’ve lived your life, your entire life. 

And then you see what you’ve been doing is based on a false belief system. And it’s like, that’s my whole life. What am I going to do now? Right. And what am I going to be now?  

Christine Contini: [00:07:33] Right. What is my life going to look like if I don’t have this anymore? And there’s, they, it can bring up a lot of fears because there’s so much control and a belief that to pull it apart, you literally have to rip this belief away from your cellular structure away from your DNA and all the energy of it has to be pulled off like those, like so many pieces of duct tape. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:07:52] Right. And so my, my belief system has been. I’m not good enough. So therefore I have to meet other people’s needs before my own. And in that I find value in how other people feel and think about me where the value isn’t, you know, I had thought I went through this and I thought I found self worth. But then when it doesn’t reflect in every single relationship and if there’s even one relationship that doesn’t affect, doesn’t reflect the self value that I have. 

That means that I have not completed completed it. And, um, I got sick yesterday. I was in bed all day after we did one of our podcasts. And, uh, and usually I’m able to watch movies or watch TVs to distract myself. And this time I couldn’t, I went back to all the painful memories of, of what I, how I interacted with people, why it was painful. 

Um, and every single time it came to me. Wanting to perform for them. So they would care for me in some way, which would then give me value.  

Christine Contini: [00:08:59] Right? So it’s, if you don’t have self worth and self value internally, then you’re looking for the external fix and that’s pulling energy from the outside in. And that’s another part of sickness. 

In fact, so yesterday Laura was going through all that and she was unwell the whole day and I could feel the vibration of it, but I was holding strong and I was perfectly fine. And then she went into detail. About has a specific way she was feeling. And instead of just letting her stay there, I went out of body. 

You know, like we do, we tend to jump out at, to have the experience. I went out and had the experience with her, even though I already knew that one and I didn’t need it again. I did. And once I touched it, I was like, Oh no. And I pulled myself back in, but I was already pulling external to internal. See the whole day I had managed to hold internal to external, which is why I wasn’t unwell. 

And, um, cause I felt the pressure upon waking. I knew it was in the air. I knew it was in the space and. Too, once you touch it, then it becomes yours. So an impath can touch somebody else who’s unwell and suddenly beyond. Well, so like if somebody has had surgery next to you and you’re sitting next to them and they had surgery on their shoulder, suddenly your shoulder starts to hurt. 

And then when they’re gone, your shoulder can continue to hurt. If you resonate with an emotional, mental or physical issue or when they leave. Then you don’t feel the vibration anymore and you’re back to normal. So that’s part of what I also consider. Sickness is the inability to hold and be stable in yourself. 

And it always comes from outside in. So if you know how to reflect from inside out which there’s methods on the wanders handbook website for that, then it’s not a, it’s not a burden for you to be around someone else who has an issue. Cause you just say, Oh, let me just do this. Boom, boom, boom. And I’m fine again. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:10:48] Right. And if you’re, if you’re like me and you’re actually going through a process of changing and discovering more of who you are for real, versus which the masks you’ve been putting on your whole life, then it’s just a process to get through. And, and it, you know, in my old life, I would have said, well, this is the flu, you know, and I would have just treated it just with herbs, just with outside things, Chinese medicine and all that stuff. 

But yesterday, um, I can clearly see that. Yeah. I still could have been labeled the flu, but. I could clearly feel the energetic processes that were going on and feel the change that I’m asking on a soul level to make. And I could feel that those patterns were breaking and ripping.  

Christine Contini: [00:11:34] Right?  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:11:35] Oh my gosh.  

Christine Contini: [00:11:38] It’s so intense. 

Okay. So that’s um, so habits and then of course from the outside end is another part of sickness. Then we also have mirroring where we want to be the same as everyone.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:11:50] Oh, yeah. Oh, I saw a lot of that yesterday. All of this was to fit in. Right.  

Christine Contini: [00:11:56] And so if, if the people around you are unwell, you will tend to be unwell. 

If the people around you are healthy, you’ll tend to be healthy. And you can find that you will fluctuate from your job to your home, to your friends, um, feeling well or unwell. Depending on the company that you keep and that’s part of the whole mirroring. And like you were saying, you did it your whole life with it, with all kinds of things. 

And it also impacts sickness and wellness. Then we have, um, trauma release. There’s a traumatic experience. We’ll leave you susceptible to being unwell. And I’m going to take you into what I consider sickness. Sickness is not a germ. Sickness is the body’s weakness that allows a germ to move in.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:12:46] Right. It’s the environment,  

Christine Contini: [00:12:47] right? 

So if you’ve had a traumatic experience, you’ve weakened part of your body in some way, which is why you continually experienced trauma, fear, shame, blame, any of these other, what we consider negative emotions and cause all of those are actually have positive sides. For those of you who don’t know, all of those can have a positive impact on your life. 

It doesn’t have to be negative.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:13:09] Yes. And we’re getting to a place to where I just want to bring this up. I found I was so unkind to myself on very rudimentary levels that I was just flabbergasted and I believe that’s created through trauma and the judgment of trauma.  

Christine Contini: [00:13:24] Yes. Right. Cause if you, if you had been kind to yourself in that moment of trauma, then you would have been continued to build kindness, but if you’re unkind to yourself in that moment, then you continue to build unkindness. 

So you have to go back to some of the foundations and again, go underneath the beliefs. And I’m on a different on another podcast, we should cover how, um, observation really impacts all of this too, but we won’t go into detail today with that, but there will be information available later to help you see how OBS observing will bring you through all of these things, but let’s get now, let’s go. 

So we’re building up to the idea that you can be unwell. So let’s go ahead and hit where now I am on. Well, what do I do if I’ve already find myself in this position of being unwell? Well, there is something that will happen to you in your breath when you’re unwell. So you’re going to be in a low level fight or flight. 

You’re going to be chest breathing. So pulling down in the diaphragm is one way to help how you’re feeling when you’re feeling unwell. That’s part of stabilizing, bringing all your energy back into your core, pulling everything that you’ve let go out, back into your body stabilizing and holding your structure, um, which is, you know, anywhere from just inside your skin or to two inches outside of your skin. 

Everything from that level in is you. And you’re going to want to hold only you in that space. Now, what happens with the breath though, is because breath is the gentlest way to alter your body and any energy pattern that’s in your body. Now that your breath has changed, all of these patterns are doing their own thing because you’re no longer holding your, your normal breath. 

So trying to be as normal as possible with that. And that’s part of what you did with your resting yesterday. Is, you would have lost your breath if you were up doing things.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:15:18] Oh, I was, if you, if you go back and watch the podcast that we were on before, you could probably see, even in this one, some you can see my shoulders rising and I’m like, you know, yeah, I have totally it’s breath has been a big deal, which is another reason I decided to be kind to myself and lay down. 

But then whenever I went back, I saw how unkind I am. And when I say unkind, I want to explain this. A little bit, because people might be like, well, you were nice. You drink water, you did what you needed to do. The thing that I’m realizing what unkindness means is judging myself harshly based on the beliefs that I’ve picked up, that I’m less than, less than. 

And that there’s, that I need to be a certain way and that I don’t deserve love.  

Christine Contini: [00:16:05] Right. Right. So you’re going to the foundation of what it means to be human. So  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:16:12] see, look at my breath.  

Christine Contini: [00:16:15] So let’s go ahead and mention what that very base foundation is. People come here and they think, okay, what’s my goal. 

What’s my purpose. What’s my meaning. Well, guess what you’re already in into being human by the time you’re having those thoughts, the only reason to be here on an energetic level is simply to be here. Period. There’s no, you don’t have to do anything. You could lay around and do nothing.  

everything you do comes after the purpose of being here, which is again, simply to be here. So if you feel like you’re driven to love people and be kind to them and help them in order for the world to be a better place again, that comes after. 

So everything is created and you’re talking about where you’re realizing you’re unkind. You have to go all the way back to before any of that started. And that’s what observation will help you do. And contemplation what you contemplated a lot of things yesterday. So using the contemplated methods and the exercises will help you get to that place where you can start to see. 

And if you, what would you say, Laura, if you hadn’t had the experience of. Practicing these behaviors. Would you have been able to get through yesterday and the way you did?  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:17:21] No. I would have gone straight to, this is the flu and poor me. I wish I wasn’t sick.  

Christine Contini: [00:17:27] Right. And that’s another thing. If you wait until you’re in that moment, it’s going to be really hard to get through it. 

So that’s why we suggest that you have, um, you. Develop a energetic practice where you practice certain things daily or weekly, and those tools and techniques, when you’re in this moment of being unwell will help you get through it.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:17:47] I just made a realization. I didn’t even wish that I wasn’t sick yesterday. 

I think that’s the first time I’ve ever been sick where I didn’t fight against it.  

Christine Contini: [00:17:56] And that’s in that way. Right? So that’s part of it too, is you were, so that’s a specific treatment of illness is to not push it away, knowing that it’s bringing you something, just like any part of the law of attraction is bringing you something that you need. 

And then just to observe it and see, what do I need out of this? And, um, let’s go ahead and get into one more thing. I want to say about breath before I forget. There’s another method called deep diaphragmatic breath. So after you’ve been unwell and after you’ve had any kind of trauma, you need to do this deeper breath. 

And I’ll just give you a little quick rundown, but you can, again, you can find it in the exercises that will follow the podcast. When you, when you do diaphragmic breath, you do it in your lower abdomen. And it says, you know, it’s a deep in and out without your chest rising and falling now. Deep diaphragmatic breath is actually breathing energetically. 

Down through your body, not in and out through your body. So you’re going to breathe down into the core and push, and you’re going to feel when you’re pushing down that there’s things that are raised up, it’s not a bowl shape, like a, supposed to be in your, in your lowest part of your core. You’re going to feel that it’s kind of Rocky and lumpy. 

And so deep diaphragmatic breath is putting that. Energetic space in the physical form back into this bull shape. And when that’s done that leaves everything else in place.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:19:18] So, this is interesting. What she’s talking about in Chinese medicine, we have, what’s called the three Zhao and we, the lower jaw holds what we call downtown and that’s the energy source for the entire body. 

It’s like whenever, whenever people cultivate G that’s, where they cultivated is right where she’s talking about. They push the breath down. So the diaphragm. Uh, is kind of like this, um, big muscle that contracts and, and, you know, whenever you’re forcing your breath out and then to expand it, it actually goes down into a bowl type shape too. 

So there’s three bowls, there’s the lower bowls and middle bowl and the upper bowl. And. To get the, what, what they do in Chinese medicine is they start with the lower ball and you can imagine like the energy being like water, and then they build it up so that it goes up to the, up the middle bowl. And then like a fountain, it flows over the middle ball, going back down into the lower bowl to feed it. 

And the more that that goes up, then it goes into the upper bowl and then there’s a fountain on top of there. And then it just becomes a self sustaining system with three of these bowls working. Together.  

Christine Contini: [00:20:27] Awesome. I always love it when you have that technical support. Thank  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:20:30] you. You’re  

Christine Contini: [00:20:30] welcome. So, right. So we’ll, we’ll, we’ll back up this podcast with some of these things. 

So you guys have some research you can do on your own as well. So with the, um, so another thing that you’re going to do during the process is, um, you can do lymph massage. And why don’t you talk a little bit about why that’s going to help them  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:20:52] live is especially if it’s like lymph in general, is the. Way that your body gets rid of debris. 

Um, it is like the detoxification part of your body that just naturally detoxes, you know, the, the fluids and things like that. And there’s two main ways to move lymph. One of them is through exercise, but if you’re too sick to exercise, the other way is through manual manipulation.  

Christine Contini: [00:21:21] And what are some of the places that you’ll notice you’ll. 

So for me, I get it uncomfortableness, like under my arms, um, and, and other areas. And if I just rubbed that, then that helps my lymph system start moving again.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:21:33] Yeah. So when you do a lymph massage, um, you don’t want to use the weight, anything heavier than the weight of a nickel. So if I were going in and doing like a deep tissue massage, that’s not the way to massage your lymph system. 

The lymph system is the weight of a nickel, and then you always flow it back to your heart. So I wouldn’t pull down. Like if I were to do a lymph massage on my arms, I would not go for my shoulder to my fingertips. I would go from my fingertips to my shoulder. And the way I like to do it is just like gentle, short strokes that you can imagine, like if you were just massaging a water hose and trying to get a ball out, stuck out of the water hose, except without a lot of pressure, you just gently move it. 

You know, short, short strokes to get it flowing.  

Christine Contini: [00:22:21] You know what you’re saying? Reminds me of when I was little, I got sick quite a bit when I was very little like laying on the floor, not moving and I didn’t actually feel bad. I didn’t know I was sick, but my mother did and she would come over and she would do that and she would just gently touch me. 

And I just felt such. Peace and relaxation with that. And now that you’re explaining it, and now I understand why, so not only can you help yourself with that, but when you have someone in your life who’s not feeling well doing this will help again, start moving the debris out because what’s happening is part of the sick part of the feeling of sickness. 

Is this piling up?  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:22:55] That’s why fluid drinking. A lot of fluid is also really important because you know, things can get gunky and stuck. And you can do long strokes, just so you know, I prefer shorter strokes. That’s my preference.  

Christine Contini: [00:23:07] Nice. Okay. Um, another thing to do, um, is the pushing out. So what I did yesterday after I touched Laura and I suddenly started to get very sick, very fast, and I had left the house, not thinking about the fact that, you know, it was what I was doing to take my daughter to do something. 

And while we were gone, Again, I started to get very sick, very fast to the point that I thought, Oh no, I might not make it home. And I told her, we may have to stop on the side of the road because I may not make it home. But then I remembered I know what to do. I know how to push out. So I started feeling okay, where does this feel? 

Bad in myself. And I’m going to get a little graphic for you guys right now when I’m, when I have anything in the core area that feels sick. And I can’t just push it out, like, like air out of my body or, or light out of my body or just push it out with darkness. Then I say, okay, I’m going to physically push this out. 

And my willingness is through bowels. I’m so willing to push anything that is making me feel bad out through my bowels. Now coming up through my esophagus to physically push it, not quite as willing on that one. So that’s less responsive in me, but I will literally be feeling okay. Feel very sick and then say, okay, I’m going to push this out through my bowels and suddenly need to go. 

And everything just clears out. Now I can’t do that any other time. It’s not like I can just say, okay, bowels release and push. There’s a blow. When I have sickness, like I would like, like I had, when it comes on so fast and so big, this one works for me. And another thing is pushing out again. If I do push it out through my throat, it’s normally energetic. 

It’s very rarely that I vomit because I have a mental desire not to have that,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:24:57] that happens with a lot of people, by the way, they, they energetically. Vomit, I guess you will like, I mean, I know people who have energetically vomited what they would call implants. Oh yeah. And hitchhikers and things like that. 

Christine Contini: [00:25:14] And it works for sickness too, is you just, you direct it. So the body has a natural ability to move things out this way. So then the energy just directs it to that, that. Particular body behavior. And then the body does the rest of the work for you. And that’s part of accelerating sickness is giving your body, Hey, here’s the message. 

I don’t want this in me. I can’t just get rid of it. I need you to help me carry it out. And the body says, sure, we’ll do that.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:25:40] Cool.  

Christine Contini: [00:25:41] That was nice. Right. So after I had done that with Laura had that accelerated sickness, I still didn’t feel. I was accelerating it, but I still didn’t feel well. And I thought, okay, what else is going on? 

And there’s a vibration. You feel if you’ve had the flu or have you had colds, you can feel that you just feel unwell, but if you actually pay attention on a cellular structure, you can feel that vibration. That is the identity. Of that particular sickness and anyone who’s in healing and wellness has already known this. 

When you put your hands on somebody, you can feel, Oh no, it was viral. Oh no, it’s bacterial on you mean, you know, you’ve got the flu or we’ve got pneumonia. You better go to the hospital right now because each of these things has its own vibration. So you can get in a state of resonance with the vibration, you can feel the vibration and then you can adjust the vibration once you’re connected to it and feeling it. 

And I think you had some of that over the last few days, too, right? Laura.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:26:35] Yeah. Yeah. I, I had lots of vibrations going on. Part of it, some of the vibration, it felt like a virus. The other parts of the vibration that let the virus gain power was the vibration of me. Ripping my false belief systems  

Christine Contini: [00:26:52] away, but I  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:26:55] asked for it, you know, I said, okay, I’m ready. 

Right universe. I am ready to change.  

Christine Contini: [00:27:00] Right. That’s what that be careful what you ask for. Cause you got to get it. Right. Thing happens. Right.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:27:04] The last time this happened, I had a near death experience  

Christine Contini: [00:27:08] and our goal with sharing our information with you is to hopefully. Keep you from having to go quite that drastic. 

I mean, if you need it, you need it and you’re going to have it. But if you can be kinder to yourself and gentler to yourself, you won’t have to push your experience that far,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:27:22] which is exactly why I went to bed yesterday. Cause the last time this kind of thing happened when I asked for a change and I got it. 

I continued to work. I’ll continue to be unkind to myself. I continued to meet the needs of others. And I almost died.  

Christine Contini: [00:27:38] Yeah. And who wants to do that?  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:27:40] Right. And so this time I was like, okay, I need to create space for me to go through this process in a gentle way. That’s not going to get, that’s not going to be hopefully as extreme. 

So I set my, I set my intentions up. I wasn’t looking just to get rid of it because I knew I can feel that I’m going through this process. And I knew it was helping me to go through the process. As opposed to skipping over it, like I tend to do.  

Christine Contini: [00:28:06] And wouldn’t you say that’s a big part of it is trusting in the reality that you’re creating, you know, you want this whole lane trusting that it’s possible. 

And knowing that it may not look what you look like, what you’re expecting it to look like, but your rest of your body and all your systems together know how to pull you through it.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:28:21] Right, right, right. It is a lot of trust. But there, there was, I’ve been doing this kind of work so much. Now that there’s a knowing. 

And so when I first started this kind of work, I was not able to identify what a bacteria felt like, what a virus felt like. I had to learn through self-introspection and through feeling it so many times what those things felt like. It’s just like, you know, whenever you’re a kid and you don’t know the letter, a. 

You have to write it several times. Some people do, some people can get it one time, but some people have to write it several times before it’s stored in all areas of their brain, or if they’re using all areas. I know there’s some people that use many areas of their brain to learn one thing. And then there’s some people that use one area of their brain to learn. 

Language or, you know,  

Christine Contini: [00:29:10] Oh, that’s another podcast too. Right. Getting into the process of learning and how you can’t just jump. Like we had mentioned before, you can’t just jump over it. You’ve got to start back at the beginning of the process and move forward. Right. But, um, in relationship to sickness, when I was working with. 

That vibration yesterday. Uh, I was already so weak from the accelerated and the huge flood in that came when I connected to you that I had to do something a little different. So I, I laid down, I lowered my breath. I did the deep diaphragmic push and then I settled into, okay, where’s my pain. And where the pain was. 

I looked in on a color level because identifying with colors helps my subconscious for me, move through things again, faster. Do I have to find the color? I mean, if I don’t see any colors, am I not gonna be able to do it now, but that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is by finding the color for me, I can move through things faster. 

So I found this really aggressive green color. And I was like, okay, culprit, here you are. What are we going to do with you? And these other, see, I didn’t immediately say change it to Brown. No, I observed, and I said, what are we going to do with you? And this other Brown gentler sand color started pushing against it. 

And I watched it happen and I watched the sand color, turn them the green color into a darker Brown until eventually I had sand in that whole space. And as it’s, as I’m observing it, Not telling it what to do, just observing it, my body relaxed, the pain went away. The feeling that I’m still needed to be sick, went away  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:30:46] and my pain went away. 

Christine Contini: [00:30:49] I remember when you connect to somebody, you’re now, you know, especially if you hold the connection with Laura and I, we have such a deep connection that when I was holding that with her, I assumed it was purposeful because I spent the whole day not feeling that. And then suddenly I was in it with her. 

Well, why did I choose to get it with her? Other than maybe timing of preparedness, maybe she’s ready to move out of this. And now I’m going to get in there with her deep and we’re just going to stop it.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:31:14] And I was in the room with her when she did it, she was like, Oh, there’s this green color. I was like, Oh really? 

Christine Contini: [00:31:22] And right. And then from there I went back to pure awareness, which for me, if I go to black, we’re nothing, nothing exists. It’s not the color black. What is this space where you can feel there’s nothing there. And then I pushed out with that. And so within the course of two hours, I went through this terrible, terrible feeling of sickness. 

Like I couldn’t didn’t even think I would make it home, so, Oh, I’m fine again.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:31:44] Yeah, after that I was fine too. I didn’t have a headache. Um, I was like, well, if it weren’t so late, I would go for a walk.  

Christine Contini: [00:31:51] Right. So that’s the other thing too is, um, I became then the example. And then your body remembers, Oh yeah, I know. 

Okay. I know. And part of that part of observation gets under an experience because. Any kind of knowledge happens after observation. So when you’re looking at your sickness and you can label it and you can say, Oh, I know what this is. And, and you can define it and you can tell yourself what you want to do with it while you’re already past observation. 

So you need to go back again to be underneath the actual process of thinking so that you can release the connection.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:32:30] Yes. That’s one thing I continually did yesterday. Um, whenever I would go in and find something and it had any kind of painful memory or made me feel sicker, I said, I cannot possibly know what this means, because everything I’m approaching is what I know from my current limited perspective. 

And I already know that’s messed up.  

Christine Contini: [00:32:54] Right. So in these moments, you’re looking to find something that you didn’t already know. And it’s a combination of what you do know, what you can suspect and then applying. Well, I can’t possibly know that’s true. And if it’s not true, then what does my reality look like? 

And this there’s this one more spot that we want to cover. And then we’ll probably wrap it up is the idea of questioning. So when you’re in a state of observation and you’re looking at something and you want to question it, there’s a, there’s kind of a pathway for that. It’s not. It’s not that it has to be one way or another, but, um, let me see, let me find some notes on this whole nun,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:33:35] as she’s looking for her notes, I’ll just go ahead and explain. 

Um, yesterday after she did that, I felt a lot better, but then I dove back in to more of the stuff I wanted to change. And then it came back, not as bad, it hasn’t been nearly as bad as it was at that one point in time. But you know, it’s,  

Christine Contini: [00:33:51] it’s still a process. Right. And it is, like we said, you were able to see what it would feel like, but then you want to go through and bring the rest of yourself. 

Back to that, right. Instead it and release the, um, the artificial control.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:34:04] Exactly. Because even though you showed me the vibration, now I need to learn to have this vibration on my own for myself. And as long as I have stuff, getting in the way of that, I I’ve got to get rid of that.  

Christine Contini: [00:34:16] So  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:34:17] that’s what I’ve been working on. 

Christine Contini: [00:34:18] Cause the subconscious will keep doing those other behaviors in the patterns, even when you don’t want it to happen. It’s. Trained to do these things for you is that’s what the subconscious job is. And the cells that, you know, the cells, they have their own experience too. So this is why there’s so many different levels to being well that you have to, um, you know, gradually work on piece by piece and then put the whole puzzle together. 

And next thing you know, you can do this masterfully, you know, accelerated wellness practice and, and help others get that way too. Okay. So when it comes to questioning, when you want to break something, you need to say, so why do I, why do I want this. So it’s not just, Oh, I don’t want to feel sick. It’s like, why do I think I don’t want to feel sick? 

Oh, because then I could do more. Oh yeah. If I do more, I’m doing I’m meeting these needs of others. Well, if I can’t do more than I’m going to have to only meet my own need and you know, so that’s one process. That’s the beginning, but you can also ask yourself, um, What am I, what false comfort am I using in order to hold myself in this place? 

Like Laura said, I can watch TV and I’ll feel better, but, and while the sickness runs, its course, so it’s your, body’s doing the work it’s supposed to do, and you’re just distracting yourself. And that’s also why some people take so much longer to heal than others because you know, Sickness and wellness is a participant experience, right? 

You can’t just, you can’t just walk away from it. Right. And distract yourself forever and never participate.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:35:41] I was not able to distract myself at all. I tried, I really tried, but I didn’t get to.  

Christine Contini: [00:35:48] And wouldn’t you say that’s part of the reason you got through this faster than you expected, right?  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:35:52] Yeah. Yeah. 

Christine Contini: [00:35:54] Because if you’re not distracting, then all this left is observation and the work that is naturally supposed to happen. Right. Um, another thing. So when you’re looking at this false support or these false comforts or the, the distractions of, I, I should be doing this, or I wish I was doing that. You say, you know, what would life be like if I didn’t have this. 

No. So if I didn’t have the pressure of doing so much work, then what would I be doing? So you, then you start examining  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:36:20] not what would life look like if I didn’t have the illness, what would life look like? If I didn’t have the need to be.  

Christine Contini: [00:36:27] Right. The pressures or whatever was bringing the illness on. Okay. 

So you’re not questioning the illness itself, you’re questioning the motivation of what we can do your body so that you could have an illness to begin with. Okay. So like you said, if you, if you’re overworked.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:36:40] Yes, I was overworked.  

Christine Contini: [00:36:42] I was totally overworked. And I’ll give Laura credit. She is. A workhorse nonstop. 

She can do it. But then I always look at, I say, Laura, I know you can do this, but should you be really doing that? You know, she said, well, I’m enjoying it. Yes, you’re enjoying it because it’s bringing you comfort because external gratification, et cetera, you know, the whole list we’ve already went through. 

So it keeps coming back to that. And then when you I’ve identified some of these things and you’ve gone through part of this questioning process, then you’re going to sit with. If I don’t have these other experiences, how am I going to feel? And you’re going to let this just the energy move through you. 

You’re not trying to control it. You’re not trying to dictate it because being imbalanced is natural. What you’re trying to do is you’re trying to move things that you’re holding subconsciously out of the way. And that’s what the questioning does. The brain then interacts with what’s going on and gives new direction and then things  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:37:39] change. 

Yes, this is what happened yesterday and it’s still happening today. I mean, the, the belief systems that I’ve been holding in place are fundamental for me, and I understand why this is taking. The time and the discomfort that it is.  

Christine Contini: [00:37:58] Well, like I said earlier, and the cast is with the multiple sclerosis. I mean, it took me years to get through multiple sclerosis and because of how deep they were, that feeling of not good enough, that was the route. 

And when I got ahold of that route and I started pulling it apart piece by piece by piece, I started to feel better. I started to get my functionality back. I went from what I was told was permanent nerve damage. To no nerve damage at all. I mean, that’s, that’s how powerful learning to be. Well,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:38:30] that reminds me. 

I just wanted to say this, you know, I told you about the last time this happened. I had a, uh, you know, almost died ever since then. I’ve had breathing problems and yesterday as I was going through this. And observing, I felt right where the breathing problems are. I felt them unlocking  

Christine Contini: [00:38:51] and I  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:38:52] can’t get to that area. 

I can’t put needles in it. I can’t massage it cause it’s like, you know, behind my bones and I was like, Whoa, I felt movement. They’re  

Christine Contini: [00:39:02] nice.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:39:03] Yeah.  

Christine Contini: [00:39:04] So it was nice. So right. So giving power back, um, because one thing you probably don’t know is that you’re holding. Thousands and thousands of energetic processes and they are controlled by the brain. 

The brain is the, at the initiator, the one that puts it in place. And then they’re held by the subconscious because the brain has given the order  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:39:26] and cause we need a feeling of safety.  

Christine Contini: [00:39:29] Yes. Right. So you’re either, um, This might help you too. We, as we call it, factor five where there’s five things that are impacting you being in this space. 

It’s, um, responsibility and discipline control, trust and safety. And then within safety is ego, but that’s another day too. So in those five things, when you’re observing and you’re trying to find something, if you run through that list, you know, where am I being overly responsible? Where have I been too disciplined or not dis not disciplined enough? 

Where do I think I need to control things in my life? What is it I’m not trusting or feeling unsafe? Where am I feeling unsafe? If you run through those, that’s going to help you find some of these issues that you’re blocking, because they’re so habitual. You don’t even notice you’re doing them anymore. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:40:16] Yeah. Amazing stuff, guys. Okay. Well, it’s looking like our time is up for this podcast and we will see you next time.  

Christine Contini: [00:40:25] Thanks guys. Have a great day. . 


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