Season 1, Episode 12


Season 1
Episode 12


by | Sep 2, 2020

by | Sep 2, 2020

Energetics and Kids

About this Episode

Did you know that you helped us record this podcast? The first part of this podcast is about your energetic connection to us and participation in our show! Listen in to see your role.

The second part of this podcast is about kids and their energetic responsibilities. Join Christine Contini and Laura C. Cantu as they explore this and more.

Episode Support

Contemplation exercises mentioned in this podcast:

Beginning Contemplation
Contemplation Exercise
Contemplation Repurpose

Keep hope energy support open and flowing with the Open-Ended Hope exercise.

Energetics and Kids

Christine Contini: [00:00:28] hi, I’m Christine Contini.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:00:30] And my name is Laura Cantu and welcome to wonders handbook podcast.  

Christine Contini: [00:00:34] Today. We’re going to talk about the energy that we hold while we do this podcast for you. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:00:40] Yes. So it’s really interesting because we just got finished filming and taping one of our podcasts and we sat down and we were like, Oh, my gosh, we were holding so many people in that one.  

Christine Contini: [00:00:51] Right? So I’m looking forward to then the number of people that are going to get to review that one and apply these things in their lives. 

That felt very exciting, actually.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:00:59] So what happens is because no time and space or time and space does not. A constrain energy and constrain what we do. A lot of times we will be holding energy in this particular space that we’re in right now. And whenever you actually listened to it, um, the energy processes that we are working on right now will also affect you whenever you listen to it. 

And it doesn’t matter how far in the future. 

Christine Contini: [00:01:31] Cause there is no such thing as time as a, let me elaborate a little bit more on that when, because time is based on exist. It’s a, it’s a conscious restriction. Energy is not contained. And when we narrow our focus through a conscious restriction, we do create time and space. So that’s how come we have a daily life. 

Now, when we’re working, we take that veil off and we open up to all things that are possible. And so, again, in that moment, even though you may not feel it in the moment we’re doing the recording, you won’t feel it until you listen to it because we’re pulling you. From then to now. So I hope that helped clear that up a little bit. 

And I’m going to give you an example that might help people understand how this works. So you might’ve had a shared dream before. And the first time I had a shared dream with my daughter and it was an unmistakable. We talked in detail about the dream. We knew things that the other person couldn’t have even guessed about the dream. 

And when we went through the details, a hundred percent alignment. And when we said goodbye in the dream. It, everything matched up. So I’ll give you an idea. We were riding in a truck together. We had people in the truck with us. We arrived at a candy store. The candy store was closing. The candy shelves were empty and we still wanted candy. 

And they told us there was no candy available. So we left there telling each other what we were going to do next. And we went on our separate ways. So that’s, you know, I shortened it. It was a longer, it’s like a half hour dream. If you think of. Real time, but in, you know, dreams they’re so quick. Right? So how could, how could this be real? 

Right. So when we, again, we shared our details and they lined up perfectly, but I had my dream at two o’clock in the morning. And she had her dream at 10 o’clock in the morning. We went to sleep at different times. We had the same dream. We verified. It was the same dream. And when we compare the times, they’re not even close and this was started to giving me this proof. 

That time is not real. And that energy doesn’t use time. So when you might have a thought and be thinking of a friend and they might be thinking of you too, but they might think of you in a different time of the day and you’d be like, Oh, it’s just a coincidence. We’re thinking of each other. It didn’t actually line up. 

But no, it does it lines up.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:03:56] Yeah, that reminds me too. I had dreams when I was little that didn’t come true for years and years later. So that’s the same kind of thing. It’s not like I was just, um, going to the future and bringing information back it’s because we were existing in the same time, in the same space, in the same outside of time. 

And space actually is what it is when we say there’s no such thing as time and space. It’s not like we’re S we’re negating this physical world,  

Christine Contini: [00:04:23] right. It’s just, it’s not a limitation time and space is not the limit. We think it is  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:04:28] not outside of the material world that we know.  

Christine Contini: [00:04:31] Right.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:04:31] So that’s what we mean by that, but yeah, like shared dreams. 

I just had a shared dream two nights ago. Nice talking about shared dreams, but going back to what happens with this kind of energy that happens with these kinds of podcasts, um, when, like we can feel the energy, like, I feel it. Uh, it goes about 20 feet out is what I feel it right now.  

Christine Contini: [00:04:56] Okay.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:04:56] Um, and I feel a lot of listeners toward my backside more and then some also towards the front. 

So that means whenever we field people at different spaces and different places around us, they’re usually there for different reasons.  

Christine Contini: [00:05:11] Absolutely. Do you want me to cover some of those. Okay. So, um, gosh, it’s been a while since I thought it is, let me see if my brain can just recall them. So when they’re behind you, they’re giving you support. 

So perhaps the listeners that you’re feeling behind, you already have some kind of relationship to the information. And so, right. Thank you so much. Just so generous of you. So they’re giving us their support and they’re helping us expand that conscious energy by being part of the group that. Um, enlightens others by giving us their pieces. 

So you might be less a listener who’s saying, yeah. Yeah. I totally relate to that. And you’re going to be one of those that Laura’s gonna feel behind her because you’re giving us the support and you might be thinking, you’re just hearing it and agreeing with us in the moment that you’re hearing it. But little did you know, you’re part of the reason that. 

The podcast goes the way it goes. I mean, how exciting is that? Right? So we feel that it comes in through our back and it’s support and it moves forward and it moves forward to the people who are in front of us. Now, if somebody is down to say Laura’s left side on the floor, so down to the left, that’s an individual who needs a little bit more support, a little bit more kindness, that they won’t be able to get the message and less we’re putting that energy in there. 

So Laura. Laura feels them in that space. And that might be one of the times that we smile. We take a little break with it that that pile of people gets large enough on needs to be addressed on an energetic level. We’ll feel more compassion. You might hear our voices change. Um, we might alter something else in order to bring that, um, journey for that person along. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:06:44] Right. And then if the person is up to the left and up. Not straight, but let’s say a 45 degree angle up to the left.  

Christine Contini: [00:06:54] Then they’re likely already out of their own bodies and they’ve journeyed through space and time to be, to have an experience. And they’re witnessing it on a semi-conscious level. So you could have had, um, a vision of us, never have seen a picture of us and had a vision of us and then see us in a picture of a podcast and be drawn to that podcast because you were actually here out of body when we were filming. 


Laura C. Cantu: [00:07:18] You were dreaming about us, maybe,  

Christine Contini: [00:07:22] you know, connecting to our goal. And our goal is to help the world with Ascension and with life changes. So you were probably drawn to that  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:07:29] and to, to, um, our other goal is to, is for each and every person to claim sovereignty. And at the same time, Be part of the group that lifts up humanity. 

Christine Contini: [00:07:41] And that brings up if you find somebody on your right on your right side, you know, either just a little to the front or just, you know, coming along with you, that’s strength, we’re gathering our strength. That’s helping with our conviction. It’s empowering ourselves and another, see, I get all choked up on that one because that’s. 

That’s the energetic shift, the strongest part that’s, it’s not just support it’s, it’s the acknowledgement of actual change. So if somebody is coming in on the right side, they’re acknowledging their actual change and they’re coming along with us faster than they thought was possible. And that’s why that touches me so much because that’s one of our goals is to bring you guys along faster. 

So you’re not stuck in the struggle.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:08:24] And that’s part of some of your goals too, is to help us go along faster. So we can also get this information out into the world. So it’s a great big group effort. I’m going to cheer on that one. 

Christine Contini: [00:08:38] Nice.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:08:39] Okay, well, that’s gonna wrap up this section.  

Christine Contini: [00:08:43] Oh, wait. You know what? We have one little more piece that they might be interested in. So we mentioned that we can feel y’all. Um, and if we move too far into our empathic side, we can actually take on. A burden. So that’s another thing is we may have to take a break afterwards. 

We may have to relax and release our connection to you because like I said, the people to the right, I feel that. And because it’s meaningful to me, I may pick up something from that group that I might not have normally taken on. And I have to make sure that I go back to remembering who I am and all that means is returning my vibration to the full, um, expression of myself. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:09:24] Which also would mean since you are participating in this group, after you listened to our podcasts, we should give post podcast care instructions.  

Christine Contini: [00:09:34] Right? So you can accept this, but we also want you to learn it through the truth of who you are. So we don’t want you just to listen to our words and say, Hey, Oh, I believe it. 

I’m part of it. And I buy into it. We want you to go through then and contemplate it through the truth of who you are. So you can be the full expression of the knowledge that you gain and not just a mirroring of something you heard.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:09:55] Exactly. And just a warm little, uh, another word that I would like to bring up right here right now, right here, which I think is a good time for it is, um, we personally make the choice to stay away from guru type activities,  

Christine Contini: [00:10:10] or definitely don’t do that. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:10:12] There’s a lot of times that would be handing your power over to someone else and. Our goal is to help you understand that you already have the power within you and you, all you need is to be reminded of it.  

Christine Contini: [00:10:26] Right? And so I can go a little further with that concept as well. When I followed my first death, I realized what true religion was now. 

I was raised Catholic and I thought, Oh, religion is something you learn. And it opens your eyes and it makes you a better person and it makes you prepared to be human. Right. But what I found when I saw all these things through my timeless eyes and through the, the universal conscious mind and through the library, Akashic records, I found a different picture. 

Hold on, Laura, Scott, something, are you just getting excited? What I found was that religion is true. Self is the full expression of who you are. And what happened is when the density of this planetary experience became heavy and it was too hard to break through it, to get back to your divinity and connected to energy outside, we created the universal conscious mind, and then all we did was go bounce back and forth between the UCM instead of going directly to divine energy or source or whatever you’d like to call it. 

And so we started borrowing each other’s experience. And moving forward from that instead of having our own. So for instance,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:11:38] we started handing our power to over to others who we thought would be able to do it better than us.  

Christine Contini: [00:11:43] Right. But that’s why we, because we, again, the density made us lack energy. And when certain parts of your body don’t have energy, then your self esteem drops and other things drop. 

So bringing energy into your form is a huge part of not having that problem. And there are definitely tips and tricks on wonders handbook for that. So. With the original religion, I might get a great big aha moment because I was able to pull something that was more of my truth into my being. And I’d be like, wow, it’s okay to be selfless. 

And I’m ready for that because I’ve already learned how to handle all of my own energy for my selfishness, but now it’s okay to be selfless because I won’t overdo it. But somebody else who hasn’t gotten to where I am borrows, that it’s okay to be selfless and they become over-giving and it actually becomes a burden to them. 

So true. Religion is. Is to be what you have been ready to experience. And instead we borrow what something looks like instead of doing the personal work to be prepared for that.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:12:41] So whenever we are, whenever we work on this podcast, whenever we’re recording it right here, what we do is we create a space and we put our puzzle pieces out in it and we say, Hey, You can borrow our puzzle pieces if you want. 

Christine Contini: [00:12:57] Right. But we still want you to go through and do a contemplation exercise for yourself. And you can do that before bed. You can do it the next day. You can do it immediately following. And there’s a couple of different ones in the exercise and methods in the library on the, on the website. If you don’t exactly understand yet what a contemplation exercise is and how to support yourself with them. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:13:16] Yeah. Actually I should say this. You can take our puzzle pieces and there’s a template. And you can use the template for yourself. Right. And thank you all for offering your templates to us too.  

Christine Contini: [00:13:26] I know it is great fun to be part of this group. And we love you guys so much.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:13:29] Yes we do. And we recognize you and we validate you and you’re awesome. 

Christine Contini: [00:13:35] All right, guys. Thank you.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:13:36] Thank you. Time for our commercial break. So funny saying that 

Christine Contini: [00:13:51] Hi guys. Welcome back.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:13:53] Nice to have you. Back after the break today, we are going to be talking about  

Christine Contini: [00:13:58] kids, kids, and lots of stuff about kids. A lot of people say that the stuff that we teach is fine for an adult who has this consciousness level and this connection to it so that they can. Implemented in their lives. 

And then they say to me, but you don’t teach your kids that do you. And I said, Oh my God, absolutely not only me. My kids, I teach the whole neighborhood. I teach all their friends. There’s no chance. I want a child growing up without the support that this knowledge offers.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:14:27] And I was lucky enough when I was a kid to have a mother that actually taught me things about this. 

Christine Contini: [00:14:33] Oh my God. That’s amazing.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:14:35] Like teaching me how to meditate back when it wasn’t even  

Christine Contini: [00:14:37] popular. Wow. Tell me about  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:14:40] energy. What  

Christine Contini: [00:14:40] was your favorite meditation? Um,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:14:44] there was a tape that she would put on and we would all go through it together. And my mind would just go into all these new. Realms of ways of thinking that I had normally thought of before. 

So it really just opened my mind up to possibilities.  

Christine Contini: [00:14:58] Wow. That’s interesting. So my parents did it a little different. My mother would read to us from the Bible. That was her way. Um, but it didn’t. Bring again, religion, the truth of things into my life. And then my father was a smoker, so he’d be outside smoking his cigarette before bed and I would walk out with him and he would contemplate out loud his day. 

And so I learned the act of contemplating and he’d ask me questions about my day and it would make me contemplate. And so I started getting in the habit of contemplating before bed.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:15:27] Yeah. My mom would make us contemplate too. Why did you hit your sister,  

Christine Contini: [00:15:34] right brother?  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:15:37] No, but really  

Christine Contini: [00:15:38] why? 

Oh, that’s hilarious.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:15:44] Actually. I really didn’t hit my sister. I did hit my brother though.  

Christine Contini: [00:15:47] And he was younger. He was younger and it’s easy to hit little ones. Right. Cause you’re retaliating. So it’s really this communication that makes sense to each other. But other people find it not  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:15:57] okay. No, we didn’t try to hurt each other. 

It was just, you know, brother and sister play.  

Christine Contini: [00:16:02] Right.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:16:02] But anyway, back to kids.  

Christine Contini: [00:16:04] So with children, when you’re. Wanting to teach them something. The first thing you need to do is release your connection to your own thoughts and go into a state of open ended hope and into observation and into questioning. And so if you don’t know, like what that means and how to use it as a method on wanders handbook, we have a exercise called open-ended hope and you just read through it. 

It’s really easy. But the general concept is when you have the thought of, I hope, and then you put something after it. Like, I hope the kids will behave. You get this feeling when you, when you feel it, you say, I hope, and you can feel your energy rise and expand. And then when, as soon as you assign what that hope is, You can feel your energy decrease and come back in. 

So I hope the kids will behave,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:16:55] right? Because whenever you’re declaring what you hope for, you’re actually actually. Um, strengthening the absence of it,  

Christine Contini: [00:17:04] right? So we want you to stop at I hope and open that energy. And again, there’s an exercise that can walk you through it and help you use that as a tool. 

When you’re going to talk to a child who doesn’t know what you know,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:17:15] and if you stop with, I hope you’re stopping in the present moment versus throwing your energy into a future moment based on past,  

Christine Contini: [00:17:23] right? Because the only reason you would assign what the hope should be is if you’re looking at the past and wishing something we’re so in the future, So open-ended hope allows you to live in this moment. 

And children are really good at that, and they will truly support you in that. So when you address them with this, open-ended hope they actually become more observant of you. Because as an adult, they tend to know that you’re already closed off and they might back away and. Now, even when you’re trying to share something important, because you have so much baggage with it, they feel that, and this is another reason why they won’t communicate, why they won’t open up, why they won’t understand what you’re saying, because they’re buffering the, between you and your baggage. 

They don’t want it. And so they’re trying to avoid it.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:18:07] We constantly as human beings, whenever we’re little, we had talked previously on a podcast about how babies come in. With a full, uh, intelligence, there are fully intelligent being. They are just in bodies that they are learning to use. Right. And one of the, we are all such loving beings that one of the things that we do is we take on other people’s belief systems to help support them where they are. 

But as the adults, what I like to try to do is to let them. Discover who they are without having to add. Not making them please me in who I am and how I see the world.  

Christine Contini: [00:18:49] So a for instance on that is you go to talk to a child and you say to them, do you know what you did wrong? Oops. They have to guess they didn’t even know there was anything wrong. 

Do you point out this is wrong? Now over time they build that. But we’re talking about the very first moment that you say to a child. Do you know what you did wrong? Of course they don’t think there was nothing wrong. They were doing everything from love. And everything always starts from love until you train somebody not to do that. 

So bringing your own burden, your own belief or, or I’m upset because if you tell a child I’m upset because, or I feel hurt, because again, they’re going to take on. Okay, because why? Well, because you did this, okay. Now we’re into subjugation. We’ve just blamed them. We’ve made them responsible for our behavior when it has nothing to do with it. 

And I want to  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:19:36] end, it may seem really sweet at first. You make it, this kid that really cares about you and is really open and loving, but then have this habit of just doing some mean things later on. And they’re like, you’re like, I don’t understand why they’re doing that.  

Christine Contini: [00:19:49] Right. And it’s because the subjugation builds up over time and they have to explode in order to return to their personal balance  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:19:56] and freedom anymore. 

Christine Contini: [00:19:57] Right. And so they’re breaking, they’re using a pendulum swing behavior to break the burden that they’re feeling so that they can then again, start expressing themselves more naturally. Unfortunately they tend to be subjugated by that point, and it just becomes this super sweet, awful, super sweet, awful experience for them. 

And for you.  another thing that happens when we’re subjugating a child is they will wait to feel you before they respond and you will never know who they are. And that’s as a parent, that was an awful experience for me. So I have a, for instance that is very personal and very deep, but I think a lot of you will relate to this either in your own personal experiences or things that have happened with your children. 

Um, one of my children at a very young age, interacted with another child of the same age that had sexual knowledge that my child didn’t and it came out at school and the school called me in and it became a really big deal. It wasn’t just a small talking to the neighbors and saying, Hey, this is what’s going on. 

It’s uh, this is inappropriate and it’s going through court systems and, and it was huge. And for men. And I fell into the fear of all of these people that were really worried for my child. And I started to be subjugated to their will of making sure that my child had a change in their experience. And what I had to do from that is I had to back up and I had to look at my child through observation, you know, what was my child going through? 

What was their experience? How was their heart? And I had to realize that there was no problem. And instead of giving my child this problem, that they were going to carry through the rest of their life, because once you give them a problem, right, it was, if I had to traumatize this child, they would be carrying that through the rest of their life. 

Instead I went to, Oh, so what was your experience now? Was it crushing to me to find out what it was. Oh heartbreaking. It took everything for me not to put my will on that child, not to make an assumption, not to give them that feeling that I grew up with when things were done to me and told to me, and I was, this is what it’s supposed to look like, and this is why you’re bad, and this is what’s wrong. 

And none of it’s true. And so I gave my child the gift that wasn’t given to me, which is wow. And how do you feel about that? And what do you think about that? And when you’re a safe place. They’ll tell you everything. And I got all the details. I know the whole story because there was no reason for that child not to tell me. 

And I was able to help them learn and grow.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:22:41] Yes. That’s one thing that I have noticed whenever I’ve worked with kids is if you don’t, if they don’t feel like you’re a safe place. Then they will lie.  

Christine Contini: [00:22:50] Right? And they’ll respond to you the way they think you need to hear them, because it’s not that they have a problem. 

They’re wanting to protect your heart. And they’re wanting to keep you from being afraid, because if you’re afraid, you’re going to subjugate them with some kind of control and they want their freedom. So they’re protecting themselves while they protect you.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:23:11] Interesting. Huh?  

Christine Contini: [00:23:14] So let’s get back to a little bit of lighthearted, cause this really is a serious topic. 

That again, when you learn to listen without your own beliefs, without the pain of your own past, and to be open in the moment. And people who were in this profession of talking to children that have been through trauma, they have this ability, the ones that are successful, they do this every day. And so you, if you were having struggle with being able to do that for your child or for a friend who, uh, another young kid, somewhere in your life, then you might want to do some investigating of these techniques that are already, these are. 

Ones that the police use do the ones that therapists use. And then on the energy side, again is balancing who you are without fear, without judgment, without conclusions of what this means, because what hurt my heart in that moment was the assumption that my child was going to suffer. And I had to keep reminding myself, everything comes from love. 

This is my child’s experience. Not mine. I need to see it from their point of view. Not from my fear.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:24:18] Yes. Cause if you put your fear on there, then shame would come in as well.  

Christine Contini: [00:24:22] Right. And then, then they’re not going to be able to talk because if you’re ashamed, why would you share anything?  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:24:26] And then that’s going to reflect in every single relationship from then on out. 

Christine Contini: [00:24:30] Right. And then us as adults, what does this mean? Um, you can do some self care. You can walk back through your own experiences of when you felt this behavior and it’s, it can be done from say, I took a cookie when I was four years old and my mother had told me not to take the cookie, but by the time I went and got the cookie, I’d forgotten that she said not to take the cooking and I have freewill and I just want a cookie that’s. 

So I’m taking what I need to make myself feel better because I got some other trauma going on in my life. And again, so this, this whole snowball of an experience. And then she sees me taking the cookie and now I’m in trouble and I get sent to my room and I’m punished I’m subjugated again and again and again. 

So I need to go back through. This was done from love. My mother had fear that I would be a disappointment to myself in the future because she has already been shamed herself and she feels like she’s disappointed the world and she’s disappointed in herself. So she’s trying to protect me. From an experience that she didn’t enjoy. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:25:28] So if we look at this little kid segment here, you can also, what she’s talking about is going back and working with your inner child. So this is in a way, this is kind of inner child work, where we have all. Experienced subjugation, forced obligation. What seems forced anyway, because we’re all looking for a sense of safety and not just safety for ourselves, but for our loved ones too. 

So we feel like if we don’t join people where they are, then they’re going to be hurt.  

Christine Contini: [00:26:00] Right. And when we’re children and we’re these fully formed beings and we’re witnessing pain and others, when we didn’t currently experience the pain for ourselves, then we’re mirroring it back to them by offering the safety so that their pain will go away. 

And then we all feel better. But what it also does is it robs the child. Of the ability to move through an experience and they tend to start jumping over their experiences.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:26:28] Okay. So let’s go back. If you mirror someone’s pain, everybody feels better. You said,  

Christine Contini: [00:26:35] yeah, isn’t that strange,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:26:36] right. But what is the, what’s the underlying issue with that  

Christine Contini: [00:26:41] fear of loss  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:26:42] and you’ve just obligated yourself to a new way of expressing that is, um, less than. 

The purest vibration of who you are.  

Christine Contini: [00:26:53] Right? So now you’re supporting the delusion of someone else because anything expressed through fear. And pain is just a lack of knowledge. And once you have knowledge and you have information and you have understanding, then there is no fear. So this all even goes back to communication, communication clears up everything. 

But what happens again is because we’re subjugated, we don’t come communicate. Honestly, we communicate through a sense of fear, a sense of fear of loss. And if so, a childhood and adult is. If I don’t do what you say, I’m not going to be able to go outside and play. Cause you’re going to punish me. I’m not going to get my treat later because you’re going to punish me. 

I’m not going to be okay because you’re going to be hurt again. A child is repeatedly telling themselves I’m not going to be okay if this adult in my life doesn’t feel okay because we’re mirroring each other. So if you’re not okay, I’m not okay when that’s not, it shouldn’t be the truth of the reality. 

The adult should have grown and learned how to be okay all the time, because that’s the true state of who you are is you’re always okay. But if you haven’t, then you’re actually the child in the situation and the smaller individual who is still more enlightened before they gain all the baggage is there to save you and rescue you from your pain. 

And unfortunately they don’t realize that this is a trap  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:28:13] and you didn’t realize probably that you were going through this when you were a kid. And then we get to be adults. And then we’re very hard on ourselves and we’re unkind. And we judge ourselves for every single little thing that we perceive that we do wrong. 

Christine Contini: [00:28:28] And it goes in the negative aspect of control where you’re controlling yourself before somebody else can control you, because if you do, you won’t harm them. And it’s easier to harm yourself because you understand it and you can see it clearly versus allowing someone else to harm you.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:28:42] Yeah. So this is a really big topic. 

Christine Contini: [00:28:45] Yeah. It’s all about safety. It’s all about self protection. And again, learning that as a small child. And then if you cannot learn that as a small child, you’d be like, Oh my goodness. Imagine that you guys were, you kept, the veil, did not block your clarity. And you were able to manage that all on your own that’s masterful. 

But the majority of us are learning to do that as grownups, as we look back and don’t like the experience we’re seeing in others.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:29:09] And I do want to say there’s kudos to some parents right now because there’s some kids that are coming in now that are off the hook, just, you know, like that we weren’t off the hook and amazing when we were little, but like, you know, every generation is getting closer and closer to the truth of who they are. 

Christine Contini: [00:29:26] And being born into Ascension versus having to ascend.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:29:29] Right. And there’s a lot of parents kudos to you for supporting your kid to remain who they are during this Ascension so that they can help raise the rest of us.  

Christine Contini: [00:29:38] Right. Giving, awesome, giving them permission to be the full expression of themselves, even when it’s scary to you. 

And then that’s not just about an emotional balance. It’s also about like, uh, my, my child wears this animate makeup. And I’m just thinking the first couple of times it was cute, but she wants to go in public wearing anime makeup. And I’m thinking, but you don’t understand, that’s not real, but she wants to do it. 

So I had to set myself aside. Cause I talked to, I said, so why are you doing this? What does it mean to you? What’s your experience like immuno, I gave her the question. She gave me the answer she expressed her. She truly was, and it’s not whether I have to accept it or not. I have to honor it  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:30:20] for me. And I’m like, yeah, you go girl. 


Christine Contini: [00:30:23] Right. So depending on how you were raised and what burden you have. Some things are easier than others. This was a hard one for me. And to let them go out with stains on their clothes and holes and, and their hair messed up and I’m like, goodness, I was raised military Catholic. You don’t do those things. 

But when I questioned them, they’re fine. So why would I put the burden of my experience on them? And then also I do still teach them what is. Socially acceptable because I don’t want them to be hurt when somebody looks at them like what’s wrong with you or says anything to them. I want them to know that in general society is this way. 

And then you can make your own decision. As I say to them as to do you want to do want to fit in here or not? Because they’ve already shown pain. From not fitting in. So this is why now I must teach them both sides. And again, it’s their decision. So there is no pain when they go out in public this way, because they’ve made a decision they’re self-empowered and they’re fine with it. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:31:22] It’s a beautiful thing, kids growing up and it’s been quite the amazing journey.  

Christine Contini: [00:31:28] Oh my goodness. From, from not. From allowing them to scream and throw fits and not correcting them and just witnessing their experiences to suddenly these beautiful angels who express themselves, see the pain of others and don’t take it on, but offer support and love without judgment. 

Oh my goodness. So I have, I have another, like a little bit of a story that goes with that too. I have a stepson and his mother was expressing pain the other day and. In that moment, he turns to me, he says, why is she like that? And I said, well, she’s just in pain. And he says, Oh, okay. I understand. Yeah. I’ve seen her in pain before and I’m sitting here waiting for the other shoe to drop. 

Is there more to this? And he says, yeah. Oh, okay. This is not a problem then. Boom. Talk about a lesson learned when somebody is in pain, you don’t make it your problem. That is huge. And we did that in, um, study 2016, which hopefully we’ll have on the website by the beginning of next year, where we’re putting stuff up on the, on wanders handbook for that to give you more support. 

And in that study, we went through. Understanding that you don’t hop on the bandwagon. When somebody is in pain, you don’t throw your pain and your problems and all your trauma in with this. That’s when you stop. That’s when you back up, that’s when you recognize it’s their pain and you help them. And the kids learned this lesson from whenever one would hurt the other. 

Oh, go ahead. Go ahead, Lauren.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:32:57] I have something to say about that. Some of you may be feeling really shocked right now.  

Christine Contini: [00:33:03] Hmm,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:33:03] what do you mean? It’s okay. That they’re in pain and I’m not  

Christine Contini: [00:33:08] right. Cause you’re used to that bandwagon. I  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:33:10] need to do something about it.  

Christine Contini: [00:33:12] Solve the problem, feel it with them, anything other than just observe. 


Laura C. Cantu: [00:33:16] what I’d really like to ask you is to observe yourself and ask yourself why you’re not okay.  

Christine Contini: [00:33:23] Right. Exactly. Why do you feel like you need to rescue them? Why do you feel like you need to be their safety? Why do you feel what you feel and did that may not be appropriate in the moment? If you, if you haven’t got the tools for that, if you’re still working on  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:33:38] anything, jump in, in life, save for  

Christine Contini: [00:33:40] real,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:33:40] but, but emotional. 

Christine Contini: [00:33:42] Yeah. Those are things that you’re going to want to learn, how to contemplate. Uh, and then when you get really good at contemplation, you can contemplate in the moment, but you may, in the beginning of this journey have to step aside and wait to you have your own silence in your own space to go through and truly understand the experience because we have a lot of complications in our lives. 

There’s so many pieces in there that you could be unconscious of and they’re influencing you. So that’s when you can, you have to step back. You have to observe the whole experience again, later on and see the whole picture.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:34:13] Now does it mean that you can’t go in and be sympathetic and go on the journey with them? 

This happens with us, all  

Christine Contini: [00:34:20] that somebody. Oh yeah.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:34:22] I’m just going to tell this little story. I’ll be having a bad day and something will happen. And I’ll say, Christine, I just need a friend right now. I don’t want any spiritual advice until I just get my emotions out. So can you join me? And she’s like, hold on. 

Let me check in. Yeah, I can join you. I can go play in your arena for a while.  

Christine Contini: [00:34:38] Yeah. Yeah. I can, I can play your game. It’s fun. Let’s let me enjoy this journey with you.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:34:43] So then I go through all, everything I’ve upset about, and then it’s all out in my emotions are out and then I’m like, Okay, I’m ready to see my participation in this. 

Christine Contini: [00:34:54] And sometimes it’s right away. Sometimes it’s a couple days later. Sometimes it’s a couple of days later,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:34:59] but it always gets there where eventually after I let the emotions out, because I do think that is important  

Christine Contini: [00:35:05] too, as to express  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:35:06] right. And to be heard. But I’m, I’m a lot of times I’m really lucky that she doesn’t always jump on the bandwagon was me and bash the person I met. 

I angry yet. Because I wouldn’t want that either. Cause I’m not really wanting to harm anyone. I just want to let my emotions out and to say, I’m frustrated with this person because they did this  

Christine Contini: [00:35:24] to me. Yeah. And sometimes I’ll, again, I can, I can concede to her experience and see her side. And other times I’ll be like, sorry, Laura, I can’t let you get away with this one. 

I actually have to tell you this now and I’ll give her something. She’d be like, yeah, I know I was ready for it anyway. So it’s that bond that we have, the energy that we can feel the need of the other. We’re, we’re one person in that moment where all the pieces fit together and the support and the love is there. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:35:50] Right? So whenever we’re talking about, don’t take on someone else’s pain. It’s not like you can’t help them through that. If you want to be in that kind of loving experience with them, it just means that. Well, what we don’t do is get so lost in it that we start thinking that like, if she has a problem with someone, I’m not going to think that person’s a jerk, just because she had an experience with that person, I can be like, Oh yeah, that was horrible. 

What they did. But then later I’m like, okay, what did you  


Laura C. Cantu: [00:36:22] that? Person’s not all horrible. Everybody’s loving coat. So we always work back. We, we honor the emotions. We’d let them out. And then after they’re out and they’re in the open, then we start seeing how we participate in things.  

Christine Contini: [00:36:36] Right. Unless that’s address as to why is that necessary? 

Cause we said a child who is subjugated to you, we’ll jump over their experience to make you both feel better. And we learned that behavior. So even as an adult, we won’t look at, we won’t allow ourselves to say, well, some of us do, but some of us were, we’re taught not to say anything bad about anyone. If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. 

That was mine. So it took a lot for me to start to say that person is just a bit. 

And that was really hard for me. And I needed such a safe space in order to say something negative about another human being. And I needed to know that I wouldn’t be judged because I had this awful upset feeling. So I needed to go through that feeling so I could realize why was I really upset because what we’re doing most of the time, when you jump over something as you’re, band-aiding it. 

And it doesn’t go anywhere. It just piles up. And before, you know it, you have that whole pendulum swing where you explode and you have a terrible experience and everyone’s crying and you know, we just don’t have to behave that way anymore. We can start from a good place.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:37:39] So yeah. I want to talk about this going over. 

Um, going over things versus going through them. So, as an example, let’s say that you’re trying to be a spiritually enlightened person and the bigger person in the picture and someone around you does something and you have this huge anger that comes up inside of you. Well, that anger is there for a reason. 

It may not be because what the other person is doing. It may be because it’s a trigger of a way that you have not been living your truth. For, from time and time all the way back till you were little when you learned it in the first place. But if you continually say I’m the bigger person, I’m going to be the one who, who is peaceful in this situation and make sure in the other person’s okay. 

And then we have peace and happiness together. And then once we smile and have peace and happiness, it was as, as if it never existed. But you just put something down into your cellular memory and you just told yourself on a subconscious level that you’re not important. Enough to be able to, um,  

Christine Contini: [00:38:41] you’re subjugated  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:38:41] you’re subjugated to, to being happy and being okay. 

Versus. Being able to go through those emotions and process, right? There’s a big deal about being able to process.  

Christine Contini: [00:38:53] And the only reason we need to go through this process, again, the reason you have that explosive feeling inside is because you have a pile and once you’ve processed those, then you find yourself in a situation very similar, where there’s no pain. 

And you’re able to see the other person’s experience and to go through something with them, without feeling any type of explosive energy in yourself. Now, I want to go back to about the middle of this, where we talked about, you know, we’re working with kids and how do we help kids? Because we talked about getting on the bandwagon, making somebody else’s problem, your problem, and then all my problems more important than yours. 

And now you’re subjugated and you can’t go through your problem. You have wait, you have to concede that I’m in a bad place too. And now we’re just both want to feel better to get through it. So what’s the first step. In not putting that kind of behavior on a child. So think about it. You have two small children, one of them just hit the other, how do you handle that? 

Well, what’s going to happen normally is you’re going to find by the time a child is more than five years old, they are now in fear. If they’ve done something aggressive to another child because they’d been punished. So I just smacked Laura and she’s upset and she titles on me. And the first thing I want to do is defend myself. 

Because I had a reason for my behavior and I was explosive because I was pushed beyond my limits and I behave this way to show the other person my need. And I don’t want to be punished for that. I want to be supported as well. So. I started by teaching the kids that when you’ve done something to someone else and they’re reporting it, the first thing we do is we listen to the person who has the problem, because you are the one that hit you. 

Didn’t come to tell me you had a problem. So you get to talk second. The person who came to me with a problem talks first, and we all support them. Not just me not and you and you get in there. And with me, supporting, listening, truly hearing what they have to say. So now the report is out there. We have communication. 

So the next step is now you share your side. Okay. So the second child, the one that did the hitting shares their side and the first child gets to listen. And I’m the, I’m the. Support for all of this. And they’re supporting with me now to hear the, the second child’s point of view. Oh wow. Once the information is out there, I tell you instantly kids resolve these issues. 

It’s not an argument after that. Now the older they get, the more baggage they have and the harder it gets. So if you can start them very young with this, when somebody gets hurt. Cause it’s normally an accident, even. So let’s not say I hit Laura. Let’s say I bumped her. She fell down, scraped her knee. Now I feel bad because she’s hurt. 

So when Laura comes to tell mom, uh, my knee, my knee, the other child is I, it was an accident. I just bombed her. I didn’t mean to. So again, there’s no reason for that child to defend themselves are going to help the injured party first. And so my kids know this. Now they’ve been doing this for about six years. 

And it’s miraculous, how quickly things turn over and how little baggage they have when they harm each other through pain and things that are coming up because they now know how to work through it consciously there’s no more jumping over the experience. There’s literally, why did we do this to each other? 

And the bigger picture is. I’ll be off to the side one, we’ll do something to the other. Now they have the conversation all on their own. It doesn’t even need my intervention anymore. And I mean, what a beautiful thing  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:42:12] I’ve seen her kids grow up and, and I saw the hard times, and I’m seeing that what’s happening now. 

And it’s really, truly amazing.  

Christine Contini: [00:42:20] Thank you.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:42:20] Yeah, it is. It really is pretty cool. Like they say some things sometimes, and I’m like, Wow. That’s really profound.  

Christine Contini: [00:42:30] And then they say some things and you’re like, that came out of your mouth. Okay. Let me just release my own programming and accept that you’re okay. 

So, you know, the whole picture, it is, it’s a lot to put again, my, put my fear side and raise them to beat them without trying to be what I think will protect them.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:42:51] And, you know, in the Bible, it says the sins of the father are visited on the son. Isn’t that?  

Christine Contini: [00:42:58] Definitely.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:42:59] I think this is what we’re talking about. 

Christine Contini: [00:43:01] Yes. Through incarnation, we accept the first vibration of sin. That’s why they say original sin when you’re born at you’re born into it. What does that literally mean? And energy is  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:43:11] it’s missing the Mark.  

Christine Contini: [00:43:12] Ah, yes, that’s the literal translation. And then on an energy side is you are now carrying a burden that was not yours. 

So we,  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:43:22] we are not living the expressions of our true selves. So therefore we are missing the Mark.  

Christine Contini: [00:43:26] Right. And now, and that also means we are created through sin and all sin is, is the absence of light. And if you miss the Mark, then you don’t have the vibrational connection to hold the light content so that you don’t have these burdens. 

And we talked about, um, the density and makes it harder for us to pull light in, but it’s not just that it’s generation after generation, after generation of vibrational experience. And this is all about DNA. They talk about what’s in your DNA. Well, yeah, you’re mimicking the light vibration of somebody else, the frequency and the change, the rate of change in your system, it’s just being mirrored and mimicked so that you belong. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:44:04] And cells have memory. There is cellular memory. Like, you know, if someone has a transplant and they didn’t like hot dogs and all of a sudden they’re craving hot dogs and they found out that the person that the organ came from. Just loved hot dogs. The same thing happens when we’re born into bodies. We are carrying the, the cellular memory from our ancestry. 

Christine Contini: [00:44:25] And it’s not just from the mother and the father. It is like you said, through the whole ancestry and ancestry is not just the past, but it’s also the future. So we don’t have to fall into well we’re victimized because it’s our past. We can just reach anywhere in time. And find the balance and  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:44:42] the puzzle piece,  

Christine Contini: [00:44:43] the puzzle piece. 

So that’s another part of this going in to experience life, instead of looking out is to go into those cells and witness what happened and to make a choice.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:44:56] Yeah. Cause when you clear it for yourself, I think Claire’s through the whole thing.  

Christine Contini: [00:45:00] Right? It’s a beautiful thing. I mean, think about it, Laura I’ve know, I’ve witnessed you as you’ve learned and grown over these last few years with your family and the stories are so different from three years ago and they’re beautiful now and there there’s exciting change and it’s because she made the effort. 

She did the work.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:45:19] Yeah, it was great. It was rough, but sometimes, but it was great.  

Christine Contini: [00:45:23] Right. And it can feel really hard when you’re the one doing all the work. It can feel like, you know, why, why do I always have to be the bigger person? And I don’t mean it the way society does, but I mean it by I’m the bigger person of staying in my truth. 

I’m not going to fall into what feels easier because it’s what I’ve been taught as a societal being. I’m going to stay in my truth. And that takes a lot of strength and a lot of conviction. And  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:45:48] what’s hard too, is we’ve taught, we’ve been taught that love looks a certain way. And when we realized that’s not what love is, and then we hold what love feels like from the truth of who we are. 

And then everybody around us thinks you don’t love me anymore. Or that’s the hardest part of all  

Christine Contini: [00:46:06] other people feeling abandoned.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:46:07] Yeah. And when you get on this journey, you think. If I make the choice to move forward, I have the risk of losing every single relationship I have in my life.  

Christine Contini: [00:46:16] Right. And it feels that way. 

Laura C. Cantu: [00:46:18] It feels that way, but it’s not that way,  

Christine Contini: [00:46:20] right? Because the more, the more you express the truth of who you are, the more space you give others to come along. And then they started saying, well, why am I holding onto this drama over here? When it feels so bad? And I know I can be on this side. Other side of this experience and they start to, and it takes time anywhere from three to six months to up to several years, even depending on how ingrained a behavior is in someone else. 

So you’re consistently holding space of the truth of who you are. It gives others the belief system that they have that right to .  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:46:51] And the cool part is, is like once I started making my changes, it actually. My growing up, my mother gave me the template to learn, to look kind of inside. And you know, like we were talking about how we started this whole conversation today. 

And then, you know, the kids will often pick up the Baton. And then carry the torch for a while. And then the Baton gets switched around the family after a while after you start, you know,  

Christine Contini: [00:47:19] as equality sets in, right.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:47:21] As equality sets in. So there’s times that I’ve been, you know, working on the whole family line and then all of a sudden I’m tired and I’m like, I just want to be back into a, my emotions and go through them. 

And then another person will take up the Baton and say, Laura, remember who you are?  

Christine Contini: [00:47:39] Yeah. Nice. Yeah. All right, guys. I think we’re going to call it a wrap. Thank you so much for joining us on this very deep and intimate discussion. Thank you.  

Laura C. Cantu: [00:47:50] Bye bye. Bye . 


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